WRP Product Review

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Sandiegan05fronty

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This just in.....


wperdigon wroteWe have been doing some testing, and finally have a resolution on this -

The results from this is that the people who purchased in group buy number 3 may result with gaskets that failed. The reason is that the channel is .0020 thinner then our original design. I think the reason for the difference is that we changed the cutting bit, and it's the only variable. I am in the process of having some paper gaskets made to replace as necessary for those experiencing problems. I ask that only people in group buy number 3 will be eligible for the replacement gasket, as well I will only send the gasket to those who mail me their gaskets in exchange.

The skinni: The channels are to small, and create to much lateral pressure. This pressure sheers the gaskets. The same thing can happen if they are over torqued.

Email me for instructions on getting the replacement gaskets.
 

BRUTAL

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lol actually its ..020 the factory upper plenum channels are .119-.123 pretty wide varience. My gb1 was .120, and Mobbebo's gb3 is .100
 

NCFronty

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The channels are too small!!?? So we paid for 60.00 gaskets that failed from a design flaw and now we get a 2.00 paper gasket? I want my 60.00 for the Nissan gaskets refunded then. If it is found that the IMS is at fault then I want the 60.00 to cover my non-faulty gaskets that got chewed up becuase of a flaw that was overlooked, and non tested since they would have been not needed if we could just use a paper gasket. Nothing less than what I fully expected.
 

Sandiegan05fronty

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NCFronty said:
The channels are too small!!?? So we paid for 60.00 gaskets that failed from a design flaw and now we get a 2.00 paper gasket? I want my 60.00 for the Nissan gaskets refunded then. If it is found that the IMS is at fault then I want the 60.00 to cover my non-faulty gaskets that got chewed up becuase of a flaw that was overlooked, and non tested since they would have been not needed if we could just use a paper gasket. Nothing less than what I fully expected.
I understand what you are saying! I also don't blame you one bit!

BTW.... :smt006 and welcome to FS.
 

BlackTigerSE

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BRUTAL said:
lol actually its ..020 the factory upper plenum channels are .119-.123 pretty wide varience. My gb1 was .120, and Mobbebo's gb3 is .100

THANK YOU VERY MUCH BRUTAL!!! I WILL SEND THOSE USELESS GASKETS BACK AND GET ME SOME NEW ONES!! CAN'T WAIT!! FINALLY GET MY IMS ON WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY!!

AGAIN, THANKS FOR RESOLVING THE WRP IMS PROBLEM.!
 

BlackTigerSE

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NCFronty said:
The channels are too small!!?? So we paid for 60.00 gaskets that failed from a design flaw and now we get a 2.00 paper gasket? I want my 60.00 for the Nissan gaskets refunded then. If it is found that the IMS is at fault then I want the 60.00 to cover my non-faulty gaskets that got chewed up becuase of a flaw that was overlooked, and non tested since they would have been not needed if we could just use a paper gasket. Nothing less than what I fully expected.
hmm, you make a very good point. :smt012 :smt013 :smt011 :smt016
 

Sandiegan05fronty

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BRUTAL said:
lol actually its ..020 the factory upper plenum channels are .119-.123 pretty wide varience. My gb1 was .120, and Mobbebo's gb3 is .100
Good job Brutal! I know it was you that took the time to figure everything out!

YOU ROCK!!!!!
 

BlackTigerSE

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I'm actually kind of ticked off from all the comments that i agreed to on CF. A lot of people are making a good point. Will's solution is not what i was hoping for. I am going to let somebody else be the guniea pig and test out the paper gaskets....if it will hold up....then i will ship my $60 gaskets for $12 "special" paper gaskets.

Why the hell does he need our OEM gaskets anyways? So he can return him and pocket the money? :smt013 arhg. Officially the worst day of the year for me.
 

BRUTAL

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In talking with Will I mentioned the intake mateerial as 1 of many alternatives to the problem, but also mentioned that would only be "acceptable" for some and others not. Its a great piece and I miss mine. I noticed a good power drop with it removed. Some want their money back(i would not) other just want theirs remachined(dont know if that is feasible) another solution is to have another gb(after all it does work) and any that need replacements are run with that run and sent out, end of story. Most companies that even have return policies for any problems do not cover shipping back, I dont know the reason for needing the orings other to verify damage before shipping out whatever solution because it may not have been the entire prodo run that was affected, or it may have. But I would agree with the double work and time, to pull, reassemble, then pull and reassemble again. that a pain, but I did do that very thing so we could get somewhere with all this thats 3x now i have pulled the intake. And yes I know and try to remember that just because its not that hard for me doesnt meen it easy for everyone. I meen Casey is still working in the cold, and its 90 here and I work in AC. Yes its a mistake, but customers and businesses have to work together for solutions and resolution. What is gained if you sue a company for something and they go out of business? Nothing, I dont know Wills financial situation, I just think there needs to be a little more working together for all instead of less, and more compromise. Those that arent married may not know but a successfull marriage is about compromise, theres only so many demands and so much firm ground that can be stood on before both parties go their seperate ways bitterly. LIke I said if you dont like gaskets, ok maybe a better solutution is to have a gb a help promote it as the good product that it is so that the cost of the F-up could be offset to cover your warranty. That would seem to me like a feasable compromise, have some compassion wether you feel its deserved or not. This world would be a better place for all if there was less chest pounding and more cooperation and compromise
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kneebuster

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Thanks Brutal for taking your time to find out what the actual problem was with the IMS. All those who have bought the IMS are indebted to you.

I bought mine after GB #3 closed and had been holding off on installing until the problem was identified. I measured mine yesterday and the channels are 0.120 wide by 0.180 deep. I broke the edges (they were way too sharp) and inserted the gaskets easily (not like the troubles some have reported). I feel comfortable installing mine now given the performance boost many have reported.

If mine is OK then it is possible that the problem was limited to only a part of GB #3.

That said, this is a manufacturing defect plain and simple. A good machinist would have measured the first part off the mill, and several random parts in each run, to verify the machining. This clearly wasn't done or was done incorrectly. The wrong end mill was used and the problem was not discovered until Brutal made his measurements.

Will's responses to this problem really don't show much business sense. The mistake was his yet he initially blamed the customers, then the gasket supplier, and now just blows off the issue by saying he's providing a fix. Had the Mr. Gasket material been the ideal solution from the start he should have just provided those instead of the Nissan gaskets, and reduced the price $50. No doubt he would have sold a ton more in the end at the same profit margin. The Mr. Gasket material will probably work just fine, but people then have $60 or so of gaskets they don't need.

Will, I urge you to step up and make this right by your customers. You may not go out of business handling things the way you are, but you'll do much better if you handle this in a more professional way. Offer full or partial refunds to those who demand it, provide replacements to those who'd rather have a properly machined part, or send out the Mr. Gaskets to everyone else who may be affected without them first sending you the Nissan gaskets.
 

kneebuster

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MOBEEBO said:
Welcome to the spot "kneebuster". An interesting first post. :smt016
Yeah, just some light reading to start out with. I've been lurking here a while (I'm most active on thenewx.org).

Sandiegan05fronty said:
MOBEEBO said:
Welcome to the spot "kneebuster". An interesting first post. :smt016
x2....Welcome to the spot!
Thanks. I'll post an introduction once I get a chance. I've been busy the last 2 weeks doing major upgrades to my Xterra in preparation for a 4 week, 4000 mile trip I'm leaving for on Friday, starting off at goneMOAB.
 

BlackTigerSE

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I'm going to ask him for mr. gaskets...pay 10-$15.00...if he rejects...he truly is a thief...he is just after more money...which in this case is $60 oem gaskets.

If he does send me the new gaskets..im just going to sell mine on ebay for $250


AND

if their were some decent ones made in GB3..it's less money he has to spend to fix...what a dozen defects? he's going to risk his business with the frontier community...which is growing heavily...over a couple hundred dollars...stupid. If he doesnt want to be successful in life, let it be.

First he blames the customer....
Now special cheap paper gaskets....+ he will ONLY give you those special gaskets that MIGHT(has not been tested yet) be the solution to fixing his mistake...if you return the $60.00 gaskets...60x30..$1,800...he is trying to steal from us.

If we had to give up $60 gaskets...Brutal deserves this money more than william...since being he is the one who took charge at this issue and found the problem.
 

BRUTAL

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kneebuster said:
Will's responses to this problem really don't show much business sense. The mistake was his yet he initially blamed the customers, then the gasket supplier, and now just blows off the issue by saying he's providing a fix. Had the Mr. Gasket material been the ideal solution from the start he should have just provided those instead of the Nissan gaskets, and reduced the price $50. No doubt he would have sold a ton more in the end at the same profit margin. The Mr. Gasket material will probably work just fine, but people then have $60 or so of gaskets they don't need.

Will, I urge you to step up and make this right by your customers. You may not go out of business handling things the way you are, but you'll do much better if you handle this in a more professional way. Offer full or partial refunds to those who demand it, provide replacements to those who'd rather have a properly machined part, or send out the Mr. Gaskets to everyone else who may be affected without them first sending you the Nissan gaskets.
NO the mr gasket material is not ideal for one reason, not that it wont work great, but only that it is not a off the shelf easily sourced part in that you have to trace the ims onto it and cut it. So using the factory orings that anyone can go to Nissan and order was, is the IDEAL way to go. BUt from the responses, if it had been me making the part I would have just appealed to everyone, accepting my fault and just asked for help being a small business. In that I would replace those affected with a future and immediate production run and GB, have the affected ims's sent back to me and either fix, and or make gaskets and sell them on ebay for reduced cost considering gaskets would need to be cut instead of bought over the counter. But again its not my decision, and I was only looking for resolution and taking Mo's out of the box could see the issue without having to wait and drive and swap parts around. I only had to remove mine and compare.
 

BlackTigerSE

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https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/websc ... backGuide1

This is where you will file your complaint with paypal if you wish to get your money back.
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/websc ... laint-view

HERE IS THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAD SACRIFICED 230.00 TO WRP IMS

wperdigon;439324 said:
Ims #3 frontier



Payments received -



1)Nsite08 - Clubfrontier - Paid

2)Stevet47 - Clubfrontier - Paid

3)Upfront - Clubfrontier Paid

4)shift_this clubfrontier paid

5)mobeebo clubfrontier paid

6)Greg Roland emailed order paid

7)Dean_montana clubfrontier paid

808wayne clubfrontier paid

9)Luckydux clubfrontier paid

10)boholio clubfrontier paid

11)chrise660 clubfrontier paid

12)***Hiden Member*** - clubfrontier paid

13)Mr Viagra Clubfrontier paid

14)Shadow thenewx.org paid

15)BlacktigerSE clubfrontier paid

16)Mandangalo clubfrontier paid

17)rdrfronty clubfrontier paid

1 2wd_nismo clubfrontier paid

19)zdoc clubfrontier paid

20)cofronty clubfrontier paid

21)upfront clubfrontier paid

22)maqatak clubfrontier - paid

23)Jfemeric clubforntier paid paid cc

24)tonyiss clubfrontier mailed payment

25)chrissa ************* - paid

26) Mark McMullin email paid

27)George Huang - email paid

2Ryan Flach phone- paid cc

29)the flash pay pal paid



guys - we are officially sold out of these now - i wasn't expecting so many people to jump in on this - but i made 30 of them, with one of them being for my personal collection -



oh, and yes, i will be making more in a few weeks!
 

NCFronty

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Well dude, is no longer going to be part of CF. He was asked by the admin to leave. All he had to do in my eyes would have been to either fix my IMS, send me new OEM gaskets, or make new IMS's to replace the bad ones. COuld have been minimal compared to the 30,000.00 he made off all his products on us poor unsuspecting mod hungry nissan enthusiasts.
 
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