wperdigon wroteWe have been doing some testing, and finally have a resolution on this -
The results from this is that the people who purchased in group buy number 3 may result with gaskets that failed. The reason is that the channel is .0020 thinner then our original design. I think the reason for the difference is that we changed the cutting bit, and it's the only variable. I am in the process of having some paper gaskets made to replace as necessary for those experiencing problems. I ask that only people in group buy number 3 will be eligible for the replacement gasket, as well I will only send the gasket to those who mail me their gaskets in exchange.
The skinni: The channels are to small, and create to much lateral pressure. This pressure sheers the gaskets. The same thing can happen if they are over torqued.
Email me for instructions on getting the replacement gaskets.
I understand what you are saying! I also don't blame you one bit!NCFronty said:The channels are too small!!?? So we paid for 60.00 gaskets that failed from a design flaw and now we get a 2.00 paper gasket? I want my 60.00 for the Nissan gaskets refunded then. If it is found that the IMS is at fault then I want the 60.00 to cover my non-faulty gaskets that got chewed up becuase of a flaw that was overlooked, and non tested since they would have been not needed if we could just use a paper gasket. Nothing less than what I fully expected.
BRUTAL said:lol actually its ..020 the factory upper plenum channels are .119-.123 pretty wide varience. My gb1 was .120, and Mobbebo's gb3 is .100
hmm, you make a very good point. :smt012 :smt013 :smt011 :smt016NCFronty said:The channels are too small!!?? So we paid for 60.00 gaskets that failed from a design flaw and now we get a 2.00 paper gasket? I want my 60.00 for the Nissan gaskets refunded then. If it is found that the IMS is at fault then I want the 60.00 to cover my non-faulty gaskets that got chewed up becuase of a flaw that was overlooked, and non tested since they would have been not needed if we could just use a paper gasket. Nothing less than what I fully expected.
Yeah, just some light reading to start out with. I've been lurking here a while (I'm most active on thenewx.org).MOBEEBO said:
Thanks. I'll post an introduction once I get a chance. I've been busy the last 2 weeks doing major upgrades to my Xterra in preparation for a 4 week, 4000 mile trip I'm leaving for on Friday, starting off at goneMOAB.Sandiegan05fronty said:
NO the mr gasket material is not ideal for one reason, not that it wont work great, but only that it is not a off the shelf easily sourced part in that you have to trace the ims onto it and cut it. So using the factory orings that anyone can go to Nissan and order was, is the IDEAL way to go. BUt from the responses, if it had been me making the part I would have just appealed to everyone, accepting my fault and just asked for help being a small business. In that I would replace those affected with a future and immediate production run and GB, have the affected ims's sent back to me and either fix, and or make gaskets and sell them on ebay for reduced cost considering gaskets would need to be cut instead of bought over the counter. But again its not my decision, and I was only looking for resolution and taking Mo's out of the box could see the issue without having to wait and drive and swap parts around. I only had to remove mine and compare.kneebuster said:Will's responses to this problem really don't show much business sense. The mistake was his yet he initially blamed the customers, then the gasket supplier, and now just blows off the issue by saying he's providing a fix. Had the Mr. Gasket material been the ideal solution from the start he should have just provided those instead of the Nissan gaskets, and reduced the price $50. No doubt he would have sold a ton more in the end at the same profit margin. The Mr. Gasket material will probably work just fine, but people then have $60 or so of gaskets they don't need.
Will, I urge you to step up and make this right by your customers. You may not go out of business handling things the way you are, but you'll do much better if you handle this in a more professional way. Offer full or partial refunds to those who demand it, provide replacements to those who'd rather have a properly machined part, or send out the Mr. Gaskets to everyone else who may be affected without them first sending you the Nissan gaskets.
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guys - we are officially sold out of these now - i wasn't expecting so many people to jump in on this - but i made 30 of them, with one of them being for my personal collection -
oh, and yes, i will be making more in a few weeks!